Jonas E. Alexis, an expert on Israel-Palestine conflict, said Trump’s “last hope for the next election is the Israel Lobby and Christian Zionists in America.”
He also said Trump’s recognition of al-Quds as Israeli capital “can only bring violent conflicts because Israel continues to ignore international law and more specifically the moral order.”
“Can anyone with an ounce of common sense really believe that both Israel and Saudi Arabia are seeking peace in the region?”
Here’s the full transcript of the interview:
BP: How would you analyze Washington’s recognition of al-Quds (Jerusalem) as Israeli capital? Would it finally bring “a lasting peace” in the region?
A: Trump said that this move will bring “a lasting peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians.” Nothing could be further from the truth.
Trump was essentially perpetuating the Israeli narrative, and both the European Union and Vladimir Putin have rejected that narrative precisely because recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital while ignoring the Israeli settlements and concentration camps in Gaza can never bring “a lasting peace” in the Middle East. In fact, it can only bring violent conflicts because Israel continues to ignore international law and more specifically the moral order.
BP: What else should we expect from this move?
A: We should expect violent reactions in some circles, and this is already happening as we speak. People of reason should continue to resist the Israeli machination of the Middle East, but not through violence. The central issue again and again is that we have seen these violent reactions in history before.
History repeats itself, largely because people fail to learn from the past. Remember the Hep-Hep riot in 1819 in Germany? Once the mob and the middle class realized that they were economically being reduced to rubble and abject poverty through cheating and other sophisticated means, and once they stumbled upon the real perpetrators, who were largely Jewish, chaos loomed. E. Michael Jones writes,
“Police officers were beaten and thrown to the ground and a military unit which the police called for help was met with a hail of rocks. Ten of the rioters were arrested, and six of them held in jail. The mob then attacked the house of Theresie Huegelin, where the Jew Abraham Loeb Brueckner ran a junk shop.
“After breaking down the door of Brueckner’s shop, the mob smashed the store windows, as well as the windows on the second floor of the building. During the rioting, one of the protesters insulted the royal city commissioner by shouting ‘Hep-Hep’ in his face, and then laughing shouted tauntingly ‘arrest me’…
“The tumult grew so large on August 4 that the president of the council was forced to call in reinforcements. Signs of Jewish businesses were ripped down and trampled on. Finally, the rioters invaded the house of Moises Forchheimer. Forchheimer was not at home at the time, but his wife, who was, was forced to pay the rioters 60 pennies to get rid of them…
“Of the 16 men arrested for rioting in Frankfurt, 15 had either already declared bankruptcy or they were unemployed former soldiers, day laborers or street urchins, a group of people, in other words, who in the best of times were at the periphery of the economy and were being pushed into penury by the influx the lower class Jews who undercut their tenuous connection to the local economy.”
One of the main causes of the Hep-Hep riot again was that the Jewish oligarchs began to cheat the system and sucked the blood out of the middle class. This was never an isolated case. Centuries earlier, we find the same phenomenon in Poland, most particularly during the 1600s.
Jewish historiographer Heinrich Graetz declared that once the Jews began to immerse themselves in the study of the Talmud, wickedness became the rule and not the exception. They immediately began to cheat the system.
Well, the Talmud has always been a problem because it is against the moral and political order. In fact, it is against Logos and all its metaphysical manifestation. In fact, the Talmud declares that Christ is burning in excrement in hell. The interesting thing is that Netanyahu has said that the Talmud is Israel’s legal system. If that is the case, then we have a serious problem here because the Talmud views people like Netanyahu as “special” or “gifted” and non-Jews as beasts that need to be used and reused.
In that sense, Trump was essentially perpetuating a Talmudic view when he gave Netanyahu a license to expand on the settlements. Netanyahu was happy about Trump’s announcement because he obviously knows how he is going to make his next move. Since Jerusalem is Israel’s capital, he would reason, then those who do not belong to the capital, i.e. Gazans and other non-Jews around the area, will either have to be removed by force from their lands or exterminated. That’s what the settlements are about. As the noted British journalist Robert Fisk has pointed out, what Trump was essentially saying is simply this:
“Goodbye Palestine. Goodbye the two-state solution. Goodbye the Palestinians. For this new Israeli ‘capital’ is not for them. Trump did not even use the word ‘Palestine.’ He talked about ‘Israel and the Palestinians’ – in other words, of a state and of those who do not deserve – and can no longer aspire to – a state.”
BP: Is the move likely to backfire on Israel and the United States?
A: Of course. Keep in mind that anything that is not based on reason will eventually backfire. That’s Hegel’s position. I think he is correct. This move will continue to expose Israel as an apartheid state.
Trump may think that his announcement will help him in the next presidential election, but many of his supporters are already dumping him by the truckload because he has made an incestuous and unconditional relationship with Israel. His last hope for the next election is the Israel Lobby and Christian Zionists in America.
BP: President of the Czech Republic Milos Zeman has followed Trump's announcement with his own recognition of Israeli capital. He also accused EU states of being “cowards” in their response to Trump’s move. How do you view his pro-Israeli comments?
A: That doesn’t surprise me at all. Zeman has been a Zionist puppet from time immemorial. He said, “I am a Jew.” He also said:
“The only holiday of independence which I can never leave out is the celebration of the independence of the Jewish State of Israel.
“It is necessary to name the enemy of human civilization and this enemy is international terrorism associated with religious fundamentalism and religious intolerance. This fanatical creed does not only attack a single nation, as we saw after September 11. Muslim fanatics in Nigeria recently captured 200 young Christian girls. And in the flower at the heart of Europe, an abominable killing took place at the Jewish Museum in Brussels."
What serious politician will believe this nonsense? Does this man mean to tell us that Muslim migration to Europe has nothing to do with perpetual wars in the Middle East? Does he mean to tell us that the alleged incident which took place at the Jewish Museum in Brussels is worse than destroying entire countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and even Syria?
What is so disgusting is that Zeman magically lifted a passage from the Quran which presumably incites violence against Jews and then said:
“I criticized those who call for the killing of the Arabs, but I don't know of about any mass movement that calls for the mass murder of Arabs. I do however know of an anti-civilizational movement which calls for the mass murder of the Jews."
Is Zeman that stupid? If he is not aware of any historical development which is readily available to a politician like himself, then let us summon Israel historian Benny Morris. Morris declared unequivocally:
“A Jewish state would not have come into being without the uprooting of 700,000 Palestinians. Therefore it was necessary to uproot them. There was no choice but to expel that population. It was necessary to cleanse the hinterland and cleanse the border areas and cleanse the main roads. It was necessary to cleanse the villages from which our convoys and our settlements were fired on.”
Morris, a flaming Zionist, has produced a scholarly text which was published by Cambridge University Press and which methodically details how this ethnic cleansing took place. Other Israeli historians like Ilan Pappe has said pretty much the same thing. If Zeman wants to remain a puppet and an Israeli shill, fine. But he simply cannot ignore historical scholarship. He said:
“I am a friend of Israel... deep friend of Israel, and that is why I think that peace in the Middle East [will] be based primarily on the safety of Israel.”
What about the safety and security of Palestinian men, women and children? Are they human beings? Well, according to numerous rabbis and even Israeli politicians, they are not. We know for a fact that Israeli politician and Minister of Justice Ayelet Shaked has unequivocally and ontologically declared that the Palestinians are Israel’s enemies.
“Who is the enemy?,” she asked. “The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started…” Shaked’s political ideology with respect to the Palestinians is worth quoting in full:
“The Palestinian people has declared war on us, and we must respond with war. Not an operation, not a slow-moving one, not low-intensity, not controlled escalation, no destruction of terror infrastructure, no targeted killings. Enough with the oblique references. This is a war. Words have meanings. This is a war.
“It is not a war against terror, and not a war against extremists, and not even a war against the Palestinian Authority. These too are forms of avoiding reality. This is a war between two people. Who is the enemy? The Palestinian people. Why? Ask them, they started…
“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support.
“They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”
If you think that Shaked is just an isolated case, then you are mistaken. Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg unequivocally declared:
“Any trial based on the assumption that Jews and goyim are equal is a total travesty of justice.”
“In our neighborhood,” said Benjamin Netanyahu, “we need to protect ourselves from wild beasts.” If an Israeli soldier is convicted of manslaughter, says Netanyahu, he should be released immediately. Long before Netanyahu came on the political scene, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir compared the Palestinians to “grasshoppers.”
Former IDF Chief of Staff Raphael Eitan declared way back in the 1980s:
“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel….Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.”
Rabbi Yaacov Perrin: “One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.”
MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan himself declared that Palestinians “are beasts, they are not human.” MK Rabbi Eli Ben-Dahan added: “A Jew always has a much higher soul than a gentile, even if he is a homosexual.”
One has to be completely stupid or blind to ignore all this evidence. But if Zeman insists that this is all news to him, then he needs to pay close attention to Gilad Sharon, son of former Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon. In a Jerusalem Post article entitled “A decisive conclusion is necessary,” Sharon declared back in 2012:
“We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing. Then they’d really call for a ceasefire. Were this to happen, the images from Gaza might be unpleasant – but victory would be swift, and the lives of our soldiers and civilians spared.”
How can Zeman get out of that diabolical project?
BP: According to some Palestinian officials, Saudi Arabia has been working for weeks behind the scenes to press them to support a nascent U.S. peace plan. What’s your take on this?
A: I would say that Saudi Arabia has been working for years behind the scenes to support the Israeli narrative. Keep in mind that peace for Israel can only come when they can do just whatever they want and however they want to do it.
Again, if Saudi Arabia and Israel are working to establish peace in the region, why is Saudi Arabia liquidating Yemeni men, women and children? Is that part of peace as well? I have just written an entire article on this very issue.
Moreover, why is there a concentration camp known as Gaza? Can anyone with an ounce of common sense really believe that both Israel and Saudi Arabia are seeking peace in the region? Does Trump really believe this? Didn’t he say ad infinitum during the presidential campaign that the Saudis were behind the 9/11 attack? If he no longer believes this, then was he lying? And if he was lying, shouldn’t he be fired for lying to the American people and much of the world?
If Trump cannot be trusted on these issues, has he given us enough evidence to trust him to flesh out a peaceful solution in the Middle East? What has he done so far? If Christ is right, that one should judge a tree by the fruits that it produces, what have been the fruits of giving Israel and Saudi Arabia unlimited political access to the Middle East?
You be the judge. As my dear friend and colleague Mark Dankof told me:
“Trump's proclamation on Jerusalem is a moral and political disaster. It totally negates his claims to be supporting an ‘America First’ foreign policy, and demonstrates how his Administration has been totally hijacked by Zionist Neo Conservative advisors and operatives.
“Most tragically, it guarantees ongoing war and bloodshed in Palestine specifically and the Middle East generally, and the continued use of the American military as a Janissary force for Israel. Finally, the theft of East Jerusalem and the Occupied Territories is not simply a continuation of Israeli thievery since the late 1940s, but a virtual guarantee that an American-Israeli preemptive attack on Iran will be next. Dr. Philip Giraldi has expressed public concern that it will happen in the next year.”
Jonas E. Alexis graduated from Avon Park High School, studied mathematics and philosophy as an undergraduate at Palm Beach Atlantic University, and has a master’s degree in education from Grand Canyon University. Some of his main interests include the history of Christianity, U.S. foreign policy, the history of the Israel/Palestine conflict, and the history of ideas. He is the author of the new book, Christianity & Rabbinic Judaism: A History of Conflict Between Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism from the first Century to the Twenty-first Century.